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		<title>By: JORDAN FRIDDLE</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-42034</link>
		<dc:creator>JORDAN FRIDDLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In nature the male species always is attractied to looks because they are looking for a fertile female and the female species is looking for a strong and powerful male. That is even with animals. So as humans men still look for the most attractive women that shows fertility, and women look for power but not only in body type but also in personality.  If a guy is a goof off and an idiot than he is not a prime pick for a girl, so girls look for guys who are confident and a good head on their shoulders. Someone who can protect the woman, that is beauty to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In nature the male species always is attractied to looks because they are looking for a fertile female and the female species is looking for a strong and powerful male. That is even with animals. So as humans men still look for the most attractive women that shows fertility, and women look for power but not only in body type but also in personality.  If a guy is a goof off and an idiot than he is not a prime pick for a girl, so girls look for guys who are confident and a good head on their shoulders. Someone who can protect the woman, that is beauty to me.</p>
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		<title>By: What is Beauty? &#124; Jenny&#039;s Fitness Space</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-39535</link>
		<dc:creator>What is Beauty? &#124; Jenny&#039;s Fitness Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] centuries. This article gives some interesting statistics about the changing face of beauty, and this article looks into cultural and genetic factors that determine what humans have seen as beautiful across [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warren Davies</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-31505</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Topper,

Thanks for the comment.

The reason I focused on women was partly selfish (I just like looking at women more than men), and partly because there are more social issues relating to female appearance than male. 

It may be a myth that only men value looks. Personally, I think men focus more on looks than women, but it matters to both genders (as do the other factors but reversed).  However, it&#039;s plainly obvious that society at large values looks on women more than men.  In many ways it must suck to be a women with all the focus on female physical attractiveness.  The models that are pushed down our throats are the top percentage of attractiveness, following which they have a strong career and other incentives to stay thin and pretty (money, status/fear of losing status) which &#039;normal&#039; women don&#039;t have, then on top of that the pictures are airbrushed.

Then these pictures are distributed widely, so that our brain sees a greater degree and amount of highly attractive people than actually exists. So women start to hold themselves to a higher attractiveness standard than is realistic, and you end up with body image issues, eating disorders, and so on, which are more prevalent in women than men.

I completely agree with your last sentence though - we would be better off overall and as a society if we did that, but alas there are very influential people making a lot of money out of our current superficiality, and they have no incentive to change anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Topper,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>The reason I focused on women was partly selfish (I just like looking at women more than men), and partly because there are more social issues relating to female appearance than male. </p>
<p>It may be a myth that only men value looks. Personally, I think men focus more on looks than women, but it matters to both genders (as do the other factors but reversed).  However, it&#8217;s plainly obvious that society at large values looks on women more than men.  In many ways it must suck to be a women with all the focus on female physical attractiveness.  The models that are pushed down our throats are the top percentage of attractiveness, following which they have a strong career and other incentives to stay thin and pretty (money, status/fear of losing status) which &#8216;normal&#8217; women don&#8217;t have, then on top of that the pictures are airbrushed.</p>
<p>Then these pictures are distributed widely, so that our brain sees a greater degree and amount of highly attractive people than actually exists. So women start to hold themselves to a higher attractiveness standard than is realistic, and you end up with body image issues, eating disorders, and so on, which are more prevalent in women than men.</p>
<p>I completely agree with your last sentence though &#8211; we would be better off overall and as a society if we did that, but alas there are very influential people making a lot of money out of our current superficiality, and they have no incentive to change anything.</p>
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		<title>By: topper</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-30983</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 00:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this study on attractiveness only about women? Please don&#039;t buy the old myth that only men value looks in women, and not the other way around. 
I can very much enjoy the type of men society calls &quot;androgynous&quot;; fine characteristics in the face, not very muscled. A lot of young girls prefer this also, but this changes as they get older and suddenly they like the George Clooneys of the world and forget about the Brad Pitts. I think it is not because they really think their former ideal is not handsome, but because society demands that women do not really favor looks in men.

By the way, the morphed photo on the actual website Beauty Check ? Really does not do ANYTHING for me. Not pretty. Too big a nose, too small lips, mouth too low, eyebrows too thin, too boring facial form. In fact, were she to have a bigger nose for instance, she would become more attractive, because her face would be more interesting to look at. 
The photo on your blog of the mash of faces (it&#039;s a different picture than on Beauty Check!) is in fact pretty.  I never found mannequin dolls in stores to be pretty at all. 

Of course, the fact that I think it&#039;s pretty is still influenced by the media. Were we to show more black faces, more Asian faces in the media, those faces would be deemed prettier and be appreciated as they deserve. I think that allready happened, with bigger lips (African) and more symmetrical faces (Asian) getting more popular. With the rise of the internet I have the hope that people of the world come in contact with eachother and value eachother, including their beauty, more.

And in the end, beauty does not matter. The fact that we make a fuss about it in women and not in men is merely cultural. We&#039;d better spend our time doing something useful than on objectifying ourselves and other by only valueing looks, rather than intelligence, wit, humor and kindness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this study on attractiveness only about women? Please don&#8217;t buy the old myth that only men value looks in women, and not the other way around.<br />
I can very much enjoy the type of men society calls &#8220;androgynous&#8221;; fine characteristics in the face, not very muscled. A lot of young girls prefer this also, but this changes as they get older and suddenly they like the George Clooneys of the world and forget about the Brad Pitts. I think it is not because they really think their former ideal is not handsome, but because society demands that women do not really favor looks in men.</p>
<p>By the way, the morphed photo on the actual website Beauty Check ? Really does not do ANYTHING for me. Not pretty. Too big a nose, too small lips, mouth too low, eyebrows too thin, too boring facial form. In fact, were she to have a bigger nose for instance, she would become more attractive, because her face would be more interesting to look at.<br />
The photo on your blog of the mash of faces (it&#8217;s a different picture than on Beauty Check!) is in fact pretty.  I never found mannequin dolls in stores to be pretty at all. </p>
<p>Of course, the fact that I think it&#8217;s pretty is still influenced by the media. Were we to show more black faces, more Asian faces in the media, those faces would be deemed prettier and be appreciated as they deserve. I think that allready happened, with bigger lips (African) and more symmetrical faces (Asian) getting more popular. With the rise of the internet I have the hope that people of the world come in contact with eachother and value eachother, including their beauty, more.</p>
<p>And in the end, beauty does not matter. The fact that we make a fuss about it in women and not in men is merely cultural. We&#8217;d better spend our time doing something useful than on objectifying ourselves and other by only valueing looks, rather than intelligence, wit, humor and kindness.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-9283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some level it boils down to beauty is in the eye... However; beauty is of course an inside job and all human cultures obsession with it, with manipulating it (bound feet, neck extension, plastic boobs, etc, etc,) with measuring it, is a reflection culturally and personally on our own lack of inner peace; some might say self worth (although even that is a loaded term now).

We&#039;ve all had experiences of getting to know someone and their &quot;body and face&quot; disappear. Their true beauty shines through. This is the unchangeable, real beauty to me. Probably belabouring the obvious...

The rest is interesting and even in some cases stimulating or attractive to the lizard brain! Is there any inherent &quot;meaning&quot; to it beyond we all struggle in some way with thinking we are &quot;less than good enough?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At some level it boils down to beauty is in the eye&#8230; However; beauty is of course an inside job and all human cultures obsession with it, with manipulating it (bound feet, neck extension, plastic boobs, etc, etc,) with measuring it, is a reflection culturally and personally on our own lack of inner peace; some might say self worth (although even that is a loaded term now).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all had experiences of getting to know someone and their &#8220;body and face&#8221; disappear. Their true beauty shines through. This is the unchangeable, real beauty to me. Probably belabouring the obvious&#8230;</p>
<p>The rest is interesting and even in some cases stimulating or attractive to the lizard brain! Is there any inherent &#8220;meaning&#8221; to it beyond we all struggle in some way with thinking we are &#8220;less than good enough?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-9189</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 02:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in our global quest for uniqueness and identity among those most common to us, we come up with unique standards of beauty to create something that either others can&#039;t attain or aren&#039;t interested in anyway.

The net effect is that beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, or the crazy bastards that dreamed some of that stuff up in different parts of the globe.

Great post by the way.  You put a lot of thought and work into it and it shows</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in our global quest for uniqueness and identity among those most common to us, we come up with unique standards of beauty to create something that either others can&#8217;t attain or aren&#8217;t interested in anyway.</p>
<p>The net effect is that beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, or the crazy bastards that dreamed some of that stuff up in different parts of the globe.</p>
<p>Great post by the way.  You put a lot of thought and work into it and it shows</p>
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		<title>By: goldhat.org</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-256</link>
		<dc:creator>goldhat.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What is beauty?...&lt;/strong&gt;

Is beauty just a cultural thing, based on whatever the common consensus is at any particular time?  Or is there a ‘true beauty’, that we find in all cultures and times? ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What is beauty?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Is beauty just a cultural thing, based on whatever the common consensus is at any particular time?  Or is there a ‘true beauty’, that we find in all cultures and times? &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Muncher</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Muncher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enormously interesting but it occured ti me that what this article doesn&#039;t tell you is that &#039;beauty&#039;, like &#039;quality&#039; is a simply a set of attributes or features. These are rated differently, indicating what is important to them.
.-= Dave Muncher&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pastymuncher.co.uk/travel-by-car/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uneccesary Airport Security More Travel By Car&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enormously interesting but it occured ti me that what this article doesn&#8217;t tell you is that &#8216;beauty&#8217;, like &#8216;quality&#8217; is a simply a set of attributes or features. These are rated differently, indicating what is important to them.<br />
.-= Dave Muncher&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.pastymuncher.co.uk/travel-by-car/" rel="nofollow">Uneccesary Airport Security More Travel By Car</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Davies</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes we&#039;re very image-focused in the West.  We have the &#039;ideal&#039; appearance blasted into our brains God-knows how many times per day, so we start to compare ourselves and others to it.  Plus we have a lot more mirrors.  It struck me recently - do such societies have mirrors?  Do they know what they themselves look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we&#8217;re very image-focused in the West.  We have the &#8216;ideal&#8217; appearance blasted into our brains God-knows how many times per day, so we start to compare ourselves and others to it.  Plus we have a lot more mirrors.  It struck me recently &#8211; do such societies have mirrors?  Do they know what they themselves look like?</p>
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		<title>By: The Stamp Collector</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>The Stamp Collector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never read such a very interesting post! These people are disfiguring their body to look beautiful in the eyes of others?

I guess others like what Asians and Africans sense of beauty are also connected with their belief and culture. They don&#039;t do that merely for sight unlike western women of today who really undergo surgeries to look better than her neighbor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never read such a very interesting post! These people are disfiguring their body to look beautiful in the eyes of others?</p>
<p>I guess others like what Asians and Africans sense of beauty are also connected with their belief and culture. They don&#8217;t do that merely for sight unlike western women of today who really undergo surgeries to look better than her neighbor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice explanation. Some great research in what you wrote and I never heard about the plate holding women :P. I sometimes wonder about this topic as well but I find even in what society defines as pretty women theirs a lot of differences in what me and even my close friends find attractive. The waist to hip ratio seems to be consistent though.
.-= Jeff&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://vaalion.tumblr.com/post/498827978&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Usual vitamin deficiencies for certain lifestyles&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice explanation. Some great research in what you wrote and I never heard about the plate holding women <img src='http://generallythinking.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> . I sometimes wonder about this topic as well but I find even in what society defines as pretty women theirs a lot of differences in what me and even my close friends find attractive. The waist to hip ratio seems to be consistent though.<br />
.-= Jeff&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://vaalion.tumblr.com/post/498827978" rel="nofollow">Usual vitamin deficiencies for certain lifestyles</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Davies</title>
		<link>http://generallythinking.com/what-is-beauty/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Jannie!

Glad you commented!  This is one of my favourite articles and I wish it had received more attention than it did.  I spent weeks researching and writing it!

Yes I recall something similar.  It seems there is an innate aspect to beauty, particularly when it comes to faces.  Babies spend more time looking at beautiful faces, and different cultures agree on who is beautiful - even cultures with little or no contact with each other.  But other aspects are more open to interpretation and cultural difference, life body shape (with the caveats mentioned above).

And yes there is the &#039;inner&#039; aspect to beauty.  I suspect that perhaps women will on average be more likely to view beauty as being on the inside, but I am certain that many personality and compatibility factors will interact when people are deciding who is beautiful.  All these studies can really uncover is the averages, which might tell us a little about human nature, but the real picture is probably much more complicated than I present here.

Cheers,
Warren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Jannie!</p>
<p>Glad you commented!  This is one of my favourite articles and I wish it had received more attention than it did.  I spent weeks researching and writing it!</p>
<p>Yes I recall something similar.  It seems there is an innate aspect to beauty, particularly when it comes to faces.  Babies spend more time looking at beautiful faces, and different cultures agree on who is beautiful &#8211; even cultures with little or no contact with each other.  But other aspects are more open to interpretation and cultural difference, life body shape (with the caveats mentioned above).</p>
<p>And yes there is the &#8216;inner&#8217; aspect to beauty.  I suspect that perhaps women will on average be more likely to view beauty as being on the inside, but I am certain that many personality and compatibility factors will interact when people are deciding who is beautiful.  All these studies can really uncover is the averages, which might tell us a little about human nature, but the real picture is probably much more complicated than I present here.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Warren</p>
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		<title>By: Jannie Funster</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a bit of an &quot;older&quot; post but interesting to me.

As to faces, I remember part of a documentary where babies focussed much longer on and came back to faces that would be deemed &quot; model beautiful&quot;  probably to do with the proportions of the features and the relative distance between them.  It&#039;s kind of all innate, I think the study concluded.

Real beauty is on the inside anyway, love,  compassion, generosity and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a bit of an &#8220;older&#8221; post but interesting to me.</p>
<p>As to faces, I remember part of a documentary where babies focussed much longer on and came back to faces that would be deemed &#8221; model beautiful&#8221;  probably to do with the proportions of the features and the relative distance between them.  It&#8217;s kind of all innate, I think the study concluded.</p>
<p>Real beauty is on the inside anyway, love,  compassion, generosity and such.</p>
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		<title>By: Improved Social Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Improved Social Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now physical beauty is only half of the picture. It&#039;s the first that we see and the one we base our first impression on. In reality those who are extremely beautiful on the outside are often an empty shell with nothing to show on the inside because they are so self absorbed with their beauty. So maybe true beauty does come from within
.-= Improved Social Life&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://improvedsociallife.com/2010/01/claim/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;claim&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now physical beauty is only half of the picture. It&#8217;s the first that we see and the one we base our first impression on. In reality those who are extremely beautiful on the outside are often an empty shell with nothing to show on the inside because they are so self absorbed with their beauty. So maybe true beauty does come from within<br />
.-= Improved Social Life&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://improvedsociallife.com/2010/01/claim/" rel="nofollow">claim</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that&#039;s a good point, I think you&#039;re right from what I read.  The theory goes; men go for looks more because ultimately there&#039;s more information about youth and fertility in appearance, while women go for personality more as there&#039;s more information about status and resources in personality.  I think that&#039;s what you&#039;re getting at.

What I&#039;d be interested in is, if you could convince a girl that she&#039;s as desirable as Angelina Jolie, so that she really believes it - would she be seen as more beautiful just because she acts differently (more confidently, expects attention, or whatever).  And if so, how much more?

Because most of these studies were done by getting people to rate pictures of women - some even used cartoon drawings of different body shapes!  This is fine if you&#039;re specifically looking at visual attraction and trying to eliminate other variables, but in real life there&#039;s a lot more going on so it&#039;s hard to say how much practical use you can get from this.

Thanks for the comments Mohinder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that&#8217;s a good point, I think you&#8217;re right from what I read.  The theory goes; men go for looks more because ultimately there&#8217;s more information about youth and fertility in appearance, while women go for personality more as there&#8217;s more information about status and resources in personality.  I think that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re getting at.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d be interested in is, if you could convince a girl that she&#8217;s as desirable as Angelina Jolie, so that she really believes it &#8211; would she be seen as more beautiful just because she acts differently (more confidently, expects attention, or whatever).  And if so, how much more?</p>
<p>Because most of these studies were done by getting people to rate pictures of women &#8211; some even used cartoon drawings of different body shapes!  This is fine if you&#8217;re specifically looking at visual attraction and trying to eliminate other variables, but in real life there&#8217;s a lot more going on so it&#8217;s hard to say how much practical use you can get from this.</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments Mohinder!</p>
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